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Таки очень плохо. Потому что все серьезные и хорошие книги по истории защищены и, в результате, в сети отсутствуют. Мусорные конспирологи эффективно пользуются бесплатной трибуной, а сотни блестящих и интересно написанных работ по истории, которые могли бы им противостоять, пылятся на полках.

И ситуация в русском интернете здесь такая же как и везде.

p.s. для тех кто не в танке - я не принадлежу к борцам против копирайта.

Date: 2007-02-09 07:25 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] watertank.livejournal.com
i hope you realize that what you are saying here is a conspiracy theory ;)

Date: 2007-02-09 07:40 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] watertank.livejournal.com
'cos if there was no copyright those excellent history books wouldn't be published in the first place.

Date: 2007-02-09 07:47 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] arpad.livejournal.com
A, I see.

But I am not an anti-copyright zealot, you know...

Rather opposite. That's why I am worried.

Date: 2007-02-09 08:22 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] watertank.livejournal.com
the real problem is that there's no good business model that would provide for free access to high quality information.

Date: 2007-02-09 08:34 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] arpad.livejournal.com
Temporary access based on micropayments would have worked but there are no tools. Strong electronic library system with cheap payments would probably have worked too, like ipod, but it needs to be linked with existing system of publishing and it seems to be impossible even in music...

So we are only at the beginning of the struggle for new standards of information distribution. But it is another story...

Date: 2007-02-09 08:49 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] watertank.livejournal.com
You see, here we are talking about some kind of pay-per-information system, while conspiracy theories on the internet are completey free :)

Btw, Santa Clara county library provides free access to electronic books. http://www.santaclaracountylib.org/electronic_library/

check it out.

Date: 2007-02-09 10:46 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] arpad.livejournal.com
I was under impression it is only for library card holders, aren't it?

Date: 2007-02-09 11:36 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] watertank.livejournal.com
that's right. for some reason i thought you lived somwhere here in the valley :)

the content is managed by www.netlibrary.com , but it belongs to an association of local libraries from around the country.

Date: 2007-02-10 01:12 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dmpogo.livejournal.com
Somehow this is not the case in physics. So it makes me wonder what is different in humanities.

Date: 2007-02-10 01:20 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] watertank.livejournal.com
Physics textbooks are not free. Popular books on physics are not free either :)

Date: 2007-02-10 02:09 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
My remark was on your statement that there is no good business model to provide free high quality information.
There is no problem to get any physics information online for free or at minimal library-level costs (that is not to say that every form of physics information is free)

Date: 2007-02-10 02:20 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] watertank.livejournal.com
The issue is not the cost of publishing the information, but rather who and how gets the benefit of monetizing it. Physics and other hard sciences are monetized through engineering; humanities are monetized through art and books.

Date: 2007-02-10 02:11 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] watertank.livejournal.com
Mihaly Csikszentmihalyi touches upon this issue in his book "Creativity". He points out that, for example, theory validation procedures are quite different between, let's say, physics and sociology. Therefore, there's less incentive for a physicist to appeal directly to the general public if his/her theory is not accepted by his/her peers. Also, research results in humanities are much more accessible to non-specialists. This means they have a relatively high commercial potential when packaged as a book.

Date: 2007-02-09 08:31 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tugdjae.livejournal.com
Не все так плохо. Сегодня случайно обнаружился чудесный ресурс - British History Online.
http://www.british-history.ac.uk
В разделе Sources - дебаты в Парламенте с середины XVII века, дневники разных деятелей и еще бог весть что, читать-не перечитатать.
Произвольно открыл на дивных дебатах 1 марта 1670 года:
When a Petition of the importers of Brandy was read.

Mr Garroway.] Would know whether the Distillers can make such a liquor of our native grain, as shall carry good to our southerly plantations; and how to make up the King's revenue, which arises out of foreign Brandy. If we can make such a liquor, we may spend our growth of corn that we know not what to do with.

Sir John Knight.] If we do prohibit foreign Brandy here, yet the French will carry it near to our plantations, and steal it ashore. If you prohibit it, yet much may come in notwithstanding, by connivance of searchers, and stealing it ashore. If it destroys mens bodies, then prohibit the use of it totally, both foreign and home made.

Mr Jones, Member for London.] Suppose the Distillers cannot make so good Brandy, and you prohibit foreign, and lessen the King's revenue for the private gains of the Distillers...


И т.д.

Date: 2007-02-13 12:15 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] zyama-krendel.livejournal.com
я не принадлежу к борцам против копирайта
Ты имеешь в виду, что бороться лень, или что ты за саму идею?

Date: 2007-02-13 12:18 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] arpad.livejournal.com
что я не оголтело против самой идеи - да

Date: 2007-02-13 12:24 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] zyama-krendel.livejournal.com
Ну, оголтело что бы то ни было - это вообще всегда глупо...

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