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Why there are so little fiction about being a part of something significant?

There are books about great leaders, books about resistance, books about little people, lonely people, survival, moral choice...

Where are great books about following? Where are great books about building great things together? About shared success in place of so popular shared survival?

Is it because being a writer means to be asocial?

I don't know. But something is entirely wrong here.

Date: 2010-02-08 10:54 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] f-f.livejournal.com
Hmmm... Quite interesting. I'd like to read and analyze (if I had enough time) from this point of view, for example, the Chinese literature - or any other literature which is a part of a culture more collectivistic than ours. By the way, the "socialist realism" was an attempt to make something you're writing of. It failed. Maybe because we aren't collectivistic enough?

Date: 2010-02-08 10:57 pm (UTC)
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Подозреваю, что это крайне сложно описать, к тому же убедительно и интересно. Вспомните попытки тех же Стругацких описать мир Полудня, или Ефремовское "Великое Кольцо". Сейчас только ленивый не ковыряет их постмодернистским ногтиком, находя дыры в мотивации и картонных персонажей. В то же время, скажем, Лавкрафта хавают, аж за ушами трещит.

Date: 2010-02-08 11:05 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] e_mir
Возможно еще вот что - неврозы и страхи в достаточной мере общие, и в чужих неврозах узнаешь свои. А вот творчество в достаточной мере индивидуально.

Date: 2010-02-08 11:46 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] arpad.livejournal.com
Угу, производственные романы типа Хейли были шагом в правильном направлении.

Но тоже картонным.
Edited Date: 2010-02-08 11:46 pm (UTC)

it's Freudian

Date: 2010-02-08 10:57 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] natsla.livejournal.com
и вот сейчас мы прославляем первых
не ведая, что славим лишь вторых

Макар

Date: 2010-02-08 11:04 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] arpad.livejournal.com
Thanks :)

Date: 2010-02-08 11:48 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mme-n-b.livejournal.com
Leaving aside for the moment that following and shared success are not the same thing, there are plenty of books about following AND moral choice, from almost anything by Heinrich Boll to Shan Sa's Girl Who Played Go and Kazuo Ishiguro's Remains of the Day. Soviet literature, on the other hand, is about following AND shared success. The problem is that a book about following is either also a book about moral choice OR a book about unchosen following, in which case it's a social-demand book, and unlikely to be great.

Date: 2010-02-09 02:09 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] arpad.livejournal.com
The problem is that a book about following is either also a book about moral choice OR a book about unchosen following

Yep. Exactly. Rejections and/or suffering. No reforms, no change, no chosen participation.

Gives a totally unpleasant picture of our world, actually.

Date: 2010-02-09 05:44 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] alber.livejournal.com
Заметная часть советской литературы пыталась работать именно с этим

Date: 2010-02-10 02:33 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] arpad.livejournal.com
Не уверен. Участие в общем деле обозначалось но не реализовывалось. Или оказывалось враньем.

Date: 2010-02-09 09:16 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] vbvb.livejournal.com
Tolkien?

Date: 2010-02-09 02:34 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] arpad.livejournal.com
About survival.

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