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The Jewish reaction to all this should be strong and clear: take your hate elsewhere. To paraphrase our prophet Groucho Marx, we don’t want to be part of any club that would have us as a member.

Judaism has a tribal aspect, but it is more than just a tribe. It is a set of laws and values that Jews believe God set before that tribe, and which they must adhere to (with room for argumentation and interpretation, thank God).

Those values pretty much preclude the murder of innocents, baseless hatred, and the death penalty for people whom you fear. (с)

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Nuff said.

Date: 2011-07-24 04:28 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fer-i-at-us.livejournal.com
огромный повод задуматься (сказал я, воспитанный на христианских ценностях)

Date: 2011-07-24 05:16 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cema.livejournal.com
Повод задуматься, а думать не надо! Интересный коленкор.

Date: 2011-07-24 05:22 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] arpad.livejournal.com
Ну это, наверное, зависит от стороны :)

Date: 2011-07-24 05:34 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fer-i-at-us.livejournal.com
я был бы совсем безумцем, провозглашая себя антисемитом )

диагностированная шизоидная психопатия всего лишь

Date: 2011-07-24 05:23 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] 0qwerty0.livejournal.com
I can't argue with that bit, but also can't agree to the last sentence: "In other words, against the Muslims and the Brieviks, I side with the Muslims."

because, given a crazy killer that targets me and mine, and a crazy killer that targets someone else, I will - sorry - prefer the latter.

Date: 2011-07-24 05:43 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] arpad.livejournal.com
Pure evil always targeting you and yours, no matter where and how it strikes.

Take my bet - we will have another wave of anti-Israel sentiments in Norway quite soon - as a direct result of this act of terror. No matter that our involvement in all that was zero.

But yeah - I would not quoted the last sentence. It is wrong. Unless there is a full out world wide war - I do not have to side with somebody hostile to oppose evil.

Date: 2011-07-24 05:48 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] 0qwerty0.livejournal.com
"Pure evil always targeting you and yours, no matter where and how it strikes."
а сферический конь в вакууме всегда падает маслом вверх.
я не уверен в (а) существовании чистого зла и (б) применимости этой максимы к данному случаю.

Date: 2011-07-24 09:02 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] arpad.livejournal.com
Если человек залез за черту так далеко - остальными составляющими процесса можно пренебречь. I say the guy filled necessary parameters for a pledge of pure evil :)

Date: 2011-07-24 06:10 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] 0qwerty0.livejournal.com
"we will have another wave of anti-Israel sentiments in Norway"
ну ты сравнил - "волну антиизраильских сантиментов в Норвегии" и, ну, например, "опять взорвали 18-й автобус".

Date: 2011-07-25 12:48 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] arpad.livejournal.com
Видишь ли, в отличие от фантазийной "исламизации Европы", попадание Израиля под европейские экономические саннкции (и неизбежная после этого большая война с соседями) - таки куда более вероятный сценарий. Европейские левые на это вполне способны.

Так что "сентименты в Норвегии" меня порой беспокоят больше чем очередной арабский террорист.

Date: 2011-07-24 07:29 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] eta-ta.livejournal.com
a typical self-hating lefty Jew in the article @link. Why would I side with him?
The unfortunate incidence of psycho killer being of a Right does not negate the fact that Islam is an ideology of hatred, it is an anti-human, anti-everybody-else religion of violence and should be dealt with just like Nazism was dealt with. A very characteristic sleuth of hands: the author of the article sleeps in a label of "racism" characterizing anti-Muslim movements; obfuscating the fact that it is the ideology we are against, not the particular race of people.

Date: 2011-07-24 08:28 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] arpad.livejournal.com
Somehow I doubt that the far-right ideology (of the same sort that was dealt with in WWII) will be a great help in fighting militant Islam.

Nothing of self-hating there.

Date: 2011-07-24 08:37 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] eta-ta.livejournal.com
-How did you conclude that I proposed "far-right ideology" to fight Islam*? There is nothing in my words that suggest that.
-I didn't accuse YOU in self-hatred. I talked (and specifically stressed that) about the author of the article you linked to. Only a self-hating Jew, the likes of whom are belong to left/liberal/Dem ranks, can a)call opposition to aggressive islamization "racist" b) side with Muslims in their jihad against the world (and effectively, against their own Jewish people).

*It is my opinion that there is no "militant" Islam. There is just Islam, which is inherently a militant ideology.

Date: 2011-07-24 09:07 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rfmcdpei.livejournal.com
No other religions are militant?

Date: 2011-07-24 09:10 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] eta-ta.livejournal.com
No, in the last 100 or so years. Besides, I wasn't talking about religion but of ideology.

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