A question of honor
May. 1st, 2004 06:42 pm![[personal profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/silk/identity/user.png){kind=small}
arpadAs expected - the fuss over jail abuse reaching its heights.
"What's the difference between them and Saddam?" "Americans are now torturing the Iraqi people in the same place Saddam tortured them".
Well, there is a difference.
The difference is that perpetrators will go under trial. The difference is that Western press got the story on the open (2 month after abusers were caught). The difference is that Western governments (include US government) find the story disgusting. The difference is that there is one death case, not mass graves.
The big question, though - if Arab street mind will recognize the difference? Well, we shall see.
"What's the difference between them and Saddam?" "Americans are now torturing the Iraqi people in the same place Saddam tortured them".
Well, there is a difference.
The difference is that perpetrators will go under trial. The difference is that Western press got the story on the open (2 month after abusers were caught). The difference is that Western governments (include US government) find the story disgusting. The difference is that there is one death case, not mass graves.
The big question, though - if Arab street mind will recognize the difference? Well, we shall see.
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Date: 2004-05-01 05:13 pm (UTC)Osnovnoe otlichie ot Izrail'-Palestina v tom, chto mojno spryatat' stol'ko trupov skol'ko nado..
izvinite, ne smog sderjat'sya.
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Date: 2004-05-01 05:53 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2004-05-01 06:02 pm (UTC)a tribunal.. rech' ne o bomejkah, a o pytkah zakluchennyh. What's next? inkviziciya? ohota na ved'm? Ili vy nastol'ko naivny, chto dschitaete 37 god edinstvennym i nepovtorimym yavleniem?
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Date: 2004-05-01 07:24 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2004-05-01 08:58 pm (UTC)dumayu, chto mojno najti kuchu argumentov i za tu i za druguyu storonu. A eshe tochnee, vidimo, oba vinovaty...
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Date: 2004-05-01 09:05 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2004-05-01 09:14 pm (UTC)Если действия этого урода воспринимать как оборону - ну о чем тогда говорить :(
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Date: 2004-05-01 09:20 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2004-05-01 09:24 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2004-05-01 09:31 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2004-05-01 09:49 pm (UTC)PO povodu vashih slov:
Nu pryamo skajem - zahvat Kuvejta byl nichut' ne menee zakonen chem zahvat palestinskih territorij. Skoree bolee zakonym - eto byla akciya po zashite ekonomicheskih interesov strany - pochitajte, pojalusta istoriyu.
Vojna s Iranom, kak ya ponimayu, zakonchilas', i k nachalu nyneshnej kampanii Iran petenzij k Iraku ne imel.
Na schet Izrailya i palestincev - strogo simmetrichnye rassujdeniya o roli USA v Izraile - otkrytaya podderjka den'gami i orujiem...
Na schet bombejek izrailya - napomnite mne, pojalujsta, skol'ko amerikanskih vojsk bylo na territorii nejtral'nogo izrailya?
No - eto vse ne v temu. V celom vashi argumenty svodyatsya k dvum: "ty vinovat uj tem chto hochetsya mne kushat'!" i "cel' opravdyvaet sredstva!"
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Date: 2004-05-01 10:04 pm (UTC)О захвате "палестинских территорий" не надо пожалуйста. Законный хозяин - Хашемитское Королевство Иордания - как то не торопится предъявлять претензии. Скорее наоборот.
Экономические интересы... при таких экономических интересах, не надо пожалуйста плакатся о полученных в ответ экономических пинках.
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Date: 2004-05-01 10:15 pm (UTC)Po pros'be voennoj razvedki..
I sovsem ne pervyj sluchaj..
A pinki - opyat' taki, protiv zahvata Kuvejta vozrajali sovsem ne araby.
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Date: 2004-05-01 10:07 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2004-05-01 10:40 pm (UTC)Все что я хочу сказать, что есть разница между преступлением режима и преступным режимом. По сравнению с диктатурой Саддама американские оккупационные власти не просто "лучше" а "принципиально лучше".
P.S.
Na schet bombejek izrailya - napomnite mne, pojalujsta, skol'ko amerikanskih vojsk bylo na territorii nejtral'nogo izrailya?
Нисколько кроме одолженных батарей ПВО для отражения тех самых ракет. Смею вас уверить что Израиль не сателлит США, а союзник США - и что это не одно и то же.
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Date: 2004-05-01 10:48 pm (UTC)a po povodu prestupnogo rejima i prestuplenij - boyus' gran' tut tonkaya, i zametim li my kogda ee kto-to perehodit? - boyus' eto opyat'taki rasskajut tol'ko nashim vnukam...
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Date: 2004-05-01 09:19 pm (UTC)No, opyat' taki, vy otkrovenno peredergivaete. My govorim o tom, chto soldaty nekoej armii ploho otnosyatsya k plennym. K plennym v vojne za osvobojdenie strany ot diktatora, etc. Najdite mne hot' odin zvuk v oficial'noj propagande o vojne s islamom.
Moreover, esli by eto pozicionirovvalos; kak vojna za neft', ya by pochti doveryal tem kto eto govorit. Esli by rech' shla o vojne s islamom, ya by podumal o tom, chto mojet ya mogu chem-to pomoch' - pohoje taki vojna islama i hristianskogo mira neizbejna, uvy.. kak v svoe vremya kazalos' pro vojnu CCCP i USA..
No to chto proishodit - eto nikak ne vojna s islamom. I my eshe skoro uvidim kak USA vyrazyat ponimanie resheniya Quatarskogo suda o kazni russkih rebyat. Ya ne govoru o luchshih druz'yah prezidenta - Saudijcah.
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Date: 2004-05-01 09:25 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2004-05-01 09:51 pm (UTC)